The rough guide to single moms

Written by ZenKing. Reposted in this WordPress page for everyone to read.

I thought I would set down a “rough guide” for men thinking about starting a relationship with a single mom and what some of the ramifications are of dating and entering into a deeper relationship with a single mom could be. Of course this guide does not apply to all women or all men but it will list the main problems I have observed through over the years.

Contrary to popular media-myth I have yet to meet a single mom who was career driven, carefree, balanced, happy; doing it all type gal as often portrayed in most media outlets. The reality I have seen over the years is usually a stressed out, overworked, debt stricken woman who really had no idea children cost so much in time, effort and money. Their careers are on hold as they need to balance their child with sickness, school activities etc… versus moving up whatever career ladder they are on. Most single moms are raising their children with help of an extended family member (usually their mom), a bevy of friends and other single moms they find in support groups. It is usually not a pretty picture at all.

Somewhere along the way, usually quite quickly they come up with the idea that they need a “partner” to help them in their new enterprise of having a child and the sooner they can get one the better. Realizing they have a bit of a disadvantage with having a child and being in the dating scene they resort to several well known strategies to get a partner.

One of the first strategies is to engage men who do not have children of their own. This allows the woman to portray the semblance of having and raising a kid is easy and there will always be a balance between their relationship with their partner and their child. Sometimes they will portray themselves as helpless victims, victimized by an evil and absent father – they need saving and you can save them. Another popular scheme is to make themselves look accomplished and together by extending their debt to ridiculous levels to portray they are all right and don’t really need a partner. There are quite a few more, but like I said, this is a rough guide.

One of the strategies is to involve the child with the prospective “partner” almost right away and foster a relationship between the man and her child. This allows a lot of leverage on several levels as time goes by. It allows for huge amount of guilt and shame if the man wants to break off the relationship, allows a bonding to take place that is hard to shuck off and other factors… You will hear phrases such as “any man who loves me must love my children!” etc…All designed to appeal to a mans sense of chivalry and protection. This hopefully facilitates a sense of belonging together and in the end marriage.

Most single men are unaware of what is going on when they start to date a single mom. It seems that the child is around, but it is pleasant, there is a clear distinction between adult and child time etc… it seems actually for most men, not a bad time at all. This allows the single mom to get the man closer and farther into the relationship.
What is really going on is a shit-load of help from the single moms friends and other helpers. Tons of babysitting services, tips on dating, comparing notes and plans etc… No matter what you see as a man there is something else going on – do not forget that. Her plan is to eventually get a partner one way or another. You are the prize and she is going to earn it.

One trait that seems to come to the forefront with most men who are dating single moms is just how wonderful a woman they really are. Most men cannot for the life of them figure out why another man would abandon a woman like her. It has been stated hat single moms are more caring, compassionate, great lovers, excellent cooks, laugh at all your jokes etc…they seem to be ideal mates.

What is actually going on is well planned and orchestrated strategies to get a man into a relationship. I don’t know how many men have loudly complained that after marriage they were suddenly now doing most of the cooking, cleaning, and repairing around the house with zero time like they had before. I don’t know how many have said it was like night and day after they moved in. The kind compassionate woman the men met had some how now been replaced by a truly different woman, it was like another personality type than the one they married. In short a single mom knows she has to work harder to get a man and she will work harder, but for many the act cannot last that long and the real woman reveals herself. Usually his occurs just after marriage.

A lot of men though go for it and involve themselves in marriage with a single mom and do not really know some of the problems they will encounter. Here is a short list of several common problems that begin to creep up:

1. Being a “partner” means you get to pay for half- if not more. I have noticed after marriage a single mom works at dizzying speed to make sure her mans name is on all of the bills. She also will usually demand money also for a huge amount of her child’s expenses. It is also expressed as a part of “loving her and showing it”. I have seen men putting money away for college for a kid that’s not his. Buying ridiculous amounts of brand name clothes, expensive homes etc… all in an effort to be in a so-called “family”.

2. The Family you just got into is by invitation only. In most traditional marriages that produce children, the man, woman and child or children make up he basic family unit. In being a step- parent you are not the basic unit. The mother and child together are the basic unit. You are invited in and can be un-invited whenever mom feels it to be so. No matter what is said or mentioned before marriage, you will never come before her child. You will always be in a family and relationship where you come second, maybe third.

3. No matter what you think… her ex is going to be there forever. In just about every case the child’s father does not seem to be in the picture during the dating and courtship stage but seems to suddenly show up after. The reality is he was always there, your partner just never mentioned it…. The father will most naturally want to have a relationship with his child and he is going to be quite involved most of the time. Just about every time you will be dragged into the endless bickering and fights they have and you will not be liked by him…its only natural remember… also be sure to take into account the grandparents, uncles and aunts and all the family functions you will be attending with him, his child, his ex (your partner) and his side of the family. Get used to being uncomfortable.

4. Her kid will most likely not like you very much. Let’s face it you’re sleeping with their mom and most of the time the child will see you as a roadblock to his parents getting back together. Most likely the mom has made you the giver of discipline in the relationship, being the man and all…which results in the kid hating you. Or after watching the child run amok for weeks after you arrive you change juniors’ schedule to include some discipline and then you also hated even more. An amazing amount of men involved with single mothers report how the child hates them, but he can keep buying gifts to try to win their affection. Some call it the ATM effect of diminishing returns.

5. All that time you had together with your new love will end after marriage. The number one job of a single mom is simply to be a mom. She is not a party girl, hiker, camper, biker, clubber etc… Just be prepared for a frontal assault on your time and money after marriage. You will find your weekdays taken up with homework, PTA meetings, suppers at home, and early bed times. Weekends will be the time for the child’s extra-curricular activities and other activities. If a single man is wondering what happens ask any father of children how their time is spent, it will not be on hobbies. You will hear endlessly the phrase “we are a family now and this is what a family does” of course your idea on family will differ…but it is her family and she will make the choices.

6. You will wonder what happened to all your money. Most men involved with a single mom report that their money seems to dry up. Children are expensive- expensive like most men have no idea. Between school supplies, clothing, vast amounts of food, babysitters if you ever want to go out, medications, fees, sports, supplies, toys and such… well, there will be little left.
As a footnote there is also another ploy by some single moms that men also forget about. The child’s father is paying for a lot of these things. Quite a few men have reported that their wife or girlfriend was getting them to pay for such things as sport fees, equipment, university funds, school supplies and such but at the same time getting the child’s father to pay for these things also. Double billing, also called fraud, is quite common but it does allow the single mom to have almost zero expenses for her child as two men are now paying for junior….
Another ploy that is quite horrific was a man whose wife owned a home and he moved in with her and her child. Although he fixed it up, paid half the mortgage and expenses- she had willed the home to her children. When confronted she said since she would be dead she did not care if he had a home or not, her child came first. So be careful with matters of money. Very careful.

7. You will never really be accepted. I have observed time and time again the heartbreak of a step parent as the child gets older. After putting them through school, providing a place to live, food, getting the child all kinds of gifts and honestly really caring about the child and such I keep hearing this one story over and over. The time comes for a grad or a wedding, the step parent thinks he might be lauded for his sacrifices but instead is shunted to a back seat or not invited as the child invites mom and dad to the party…and thanks them for all their love and work. Usually there is not even an acknowledgement of effort.

8. You will now be part of the single moms’ network. Be prepared to help out all her buddies as they helped her out. Endless weekends and nights of babysitting the other single moms kids so that they too may date and get a man. You will also discover why 75% of all people in jail come from single mother households. Try not to have any expensive items around…

9. Now that the single mom is now married she will need to impress her single mom friends with her new found happiness. Her happiness will usually include a new home in a good neighbourhood, new clothing, new items for the home, new car etc… there is an unwritten law it seems among a lot of single moms that they compete ruthlessly with their friends. If she does get married she needs to show them her new found prestige. Be prepared for huge new expenses.

10. You will have no time for errors. A lot of single men get involved with the single mom and her kids when the child is a bit older. Being inexperienced with children becomes a huge burden as the single man has no time to learn parenting skills…and mistakes are not readily forgiven nor forgotten when a kid is 4 compared to 14.

11. You may think it ends, but it never does. I know many men whose single mom wife promised them a completely different life after junior turned 18 or so. At the beginning of the relationship it looked like just a few years and then total privacy and freedom. Then years later they found out that junior is going to go to university for 6 years after taking a gap year off and not worry about a job as he will live at home. After that the story usually is that the child gets married and has kids and needs a ton of babysitting services. The dream of trips abroad, moving to a nicer place etc… evaporates for most men. They just wind up being early grandparents. The other option that happens a lot is the girls have children early and stay at home. Not only is the man taking care of his wife’s child he also has to care for her grandchild now!

12. You will have nothing to show for it. In the end when most men have their own children the work and effort is well worth it. The men did their best and raised a family, continued a line, get grandchildren…etc… As a step-parent you have contributed as much but you have nothing. Nobody carries on your name and most men realize they are not even ever thanked for their sacrifice.

13. The legalities can kill you. There have been numerous cases where a man has divorced or left a single mom and then found himself liable financially for her child. Although not the father he will be responsible for child payments, extra fees and most certainly university far after they are 18….check the laws out, it’s a raw deal. Couple that with some alimony and you get the whole effect of being a divorced and homeless dad with not one child of your own….
In the end women have asked for their freedom to make their own choices now for decades. I would advise all single men to let single moms make their choice of having a child by themselves and then live with it. Don’t involve yourself with these women under any circumstances. It can be in many ways, the death of a man.
Well it’s a rough guide and you were warned….

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42 Responses to “The rough guide to single moms”

  1. Larose Says:

    Hello,
    Although I respect your opinion and obsevations, you have yet to meet me. I am a single mom of a little boy and I can assure you that I am happy and as balanced as it gets. For you to come here and put this here is very wrong. What advice are you giving people exactly? The reality is you have met single mothers who gave you a bad impressions on us AND THERE are many single moms out there who are the exact opposite of what you are discribing here

  2. Ben Says:

    You made a lot of good points, but I have two comments.

    First, getting married to a woman is a bad idea regardless of whether or not she has children. It is true that it is worse if she has children because you become liable for child support (something you can not get a pre-nup for, by the way) in addition to spousal support, but marriage is still a raw deal even if she does’t have children.

    Second, you make it sound like single women are trying to mastermind some type of scam. This is a dangerous approach because it will only lead to men feeling that it could not possibly be true of the single mother they are dating. To my mind, what would be better (and more accurate) is to simply portray single mothers as genuinely trying to put their best foot forward at the beginning of the relationship and that this won’t last. Men also try to put on a big show for women at the beginning of the relationship and it doesn’t last either. It is only natural for women to try to be sweet when they need to be; it is not evil. Men shoud understand though that after they are married there is no motive for her to be at all attentive to your needs (especially sexual needs).

  3. Ed Says:

    While the original post may be a little extreme, it’s fundamentally all accurate. While there would be some exceptions, the majority of the single moms definitely fit the mould described in the post. I say this from a lot of experience dating single moms.

    Why did I/do I date single moms? Because they are incredible when they are working on getting you hooked. Hot sex, lots of affection and an almost submissive attention to your needs. The trick is to pull out before the trap closes. I’ve enjoyed some incredible hook ups this way.

    I have no guilt trip about this. It’s all part of the game.

    Peace.

  4. ggjake Says:

    Thank you all for commenting here as I’m new to using WordPress blog and now anybody can comment without the need of adding a name or email address.

    Larose. This article is meant to serve single men what are they are getting into before they get heavily involved in relationships with single mothers. Of course anyone is welcome to comment here including single moms like yourself.

    Ben. It is true that getting married is raw deal for single men at least in Western countries as you mention about losing your assets, alimony and child support when the marriage falls apart which most of the time (like at least 70%) the wife would file a “no fault” (cash out) divorce. For men who wants marriage, go live in a country where the wife cannot “cash out” divorce so men can have a real chance to raise his own family.
    Also you are right that after marriage, there are no motivation to keep up a man’s needs as you can read a good no marriage site here http://www.nomarriage.com

    Ed. I used to date single moms in the past and yes they are the easiest and try their best to be feminine which we all know its really a show. For me, I did what you said by getting what I want like a short term fling but I don’t live with them or act like a dad to their kids as they are not mines. If men must deal with single moms, then they should take your advise and leave before the trap closes… otherwise if they act like a dad and live with them(and break up), they will end up paying child support for many years up to age 18 or university for their children.

  5. Larose Says:

    Ed, you feel no guilt in using a woman in general whether she’s a single mom or not? well, that is a pretty picture of what men are like nowadays so no surprise there. Ben and the blogger, it seems to me that you are portraying single women as evil here. Let me tell you this, every relationship is sweet at first and ofetn turns sour after awhile. This has nothing to do with the woman being a single mom or not. It really amazes me that you will take a couple experiences of your past and put it here for men to study on before dating a single mom. What about single dads huh?
    Should we have a little rough note for them as well?
    I don’t know what you men want. Women are sweet to you, you complain that they are trying to get you to marry them, they’re bitchy, you still complain. What do you want? Virgins mary with no children so you can be happy?
    I appreciate you trying to warn men out there but I don’t think it’s necessary.

  6. Hanie Says:

    Jake, thanks for adding some notes to my blog and I have responded accordingly. See http://lifeisonebigstage.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/dating-single-mom-101/. I may want to add some notes here on dating single moms. Most probably all the single moms that you have dated before looked they are about to fall off from their feet is simply because they are juggling a lot of physical and mental responsibilities – career, home, kids etc. The ex spouse, escape this as usually the children (most times) would live with the mother especially when they are still young. It is not easy. It is truly sad that you and other men has a fixed perception about dating single moms and it reflected in the way you treat other women as if most of them are out there to scam you.

    There are many single moms out there who are happy and contented with themselves, who can and able to support the children and yet have fun too.

    Most single dads that I have dated are no better than the truly single men who have never been married as well.

  7. Anonymous Says:

    Why would any man want to marry today?? Just be bed buddies!!

  8. anon Says:

    I can’t believe you took the time to write out such obvious garbage.

  9. Dolly Says:

    I cannot believe, because you have met a couple of money grabbing women you would catagorize all single mothers like this. I am also a single mother AND an educated one just like many others i’m sure. When my son was two i went back to college to study accountancy and work full time now. When i met my current partner i was attending college twice a week and working full time. Also it was six months before my son was introduced to him as it certainly wasn’t a “daddy” i was looking for, for him!
    Another statement you made about the childs dad ALWAYS being in the background where these vulnerable men can’t see them is also a huge generalisation. My ex left the country and doesn’t pay any maintenance to me for my son as the courts denied me this twice! Everything my son has is paid for by ME, not my partner, and everything between my partner and I is split right down the middle.
    Of course single moms want to be married and find someone to settle down with it’s perfectly natural!! I’m sure the majority of these women will agree that they’re not out to “trap” any man and i’m sure there are a minority that are.
    This posting obviously says alot about YOUR particular choice in women but don’t attempt to slate us all because you like to pick up skanks………………

  10. Hanie Says:

    Dolly, nice one.

  11. Joe Says:

    Single moms are good for being f*ck buddies and that’s about it. Leave before the trap catches you for any dudes. Also never live with them. Smart dudes don’t pay and play daddy to someone else’s bastard children.

    By the way, foreign women are the best for relationships as I’ve been overseas and its best to expatriate to non-Anglo countries if one wants to get married and have children. Otherwise, just keep on f*cking and chucking as usual.

  12. Sean Says:

    Single mom are used-up whores, just fuck ‘em and leave ‘em.

  13. Sean Says:

    Joe is right. Eastern European, Persian, Arab and Indian women are the best for relationships.

  14. John Says:

    Why should a man have to pay for the support and care of someone else’s child? That’s what it boils down too. The care and support of that child or children is the responsibility of the biological father and mother – period. Single men – or women – who are dating should recognize this fact and become involved with a single parent only after a long time getting to know each other.

    As a lawyer who’s mediated a fair number of custody and visitations at family court, I can tell you the whole thing is very messy.

  15. Anonymousss Says:

    Good post.

  16. obscurist Says:

    I think everyone should take each person they date on a case by case basis. Good communication, honesty and taking your time before declaring it a “relationship” seems to be things that no one does anymore.

    I am a single mother who is nothing like what ggjake describes in his blog. In the past I have preferred “fuck-buddy” arrangements because I’m very busy with my career and family responsibilities with no time/energy for something more long-term. Single men without children have been more than happy to accomodate me in that regard while my child is away with her father on visitations.

    Recently I met a man who wants to keep me around for awhile and is accepting of my child. (must be all the cookies and home-cooked meals that are part of the perks of dating a SM…stomach–>heart) If this turns into a relationship I would never expect/allow him to pick up any of the financial burden of a child that is not his. That is why I work, so that I can take care of my family.

    It’s too bad the author had bad experiences with single moms. I’m glad he acknowledges that not all are problematic. I can’t be the only awesome one out there :-D

  17. marvin Says:

    if biological dad do not provide support and single mom carry all the burden of the fuck trophy, single mom should carry all the burden of succeeding children with any men and not let current partner split the cost.

  18. marvin Says:

    if biological dad do not provide support and single mom carry all the burden of the fuck trophy, single mom should carry all the burden of succeeding children with any men and not let current partner split the cost REGARDLESS the current partner fathered the child.

    single mom think splitting the bill is fair enough, but do not understand that over spending on fuck trophy is reducing resources meant for succeeding children with current partner.

  19. mabel Says:

    1. Stop dating trashy women.

    2. Posts like this affirm for me why I never remarried.

    3. Do not presume to know what it’s like to get into a relationship with a single mom or any other woman when you clearly do not understand the meaning of the word “relationship”.

    4. Posts like this affirm for me that it was worth the effort to raise my son to perceive women as valuable human beings and not the disposable attention whores as seen on TV. It’s a shame your mother didn’t do better and your father must have been a real prince of a husband.

    5. Until you grow up and understand what it is to be a man, please….stay away from the keyboard.

    Gah….what a tool.

  20. Blah Says:

    Think your a complete fucking ass hole who has no concept of what it like for a single mom.

    Please win the darwin award and take your self out of the jean pool!

  21. yazz Says:

    I think that a lot of these difficulties , like the expenses and demands of dealing with children, will eventually be felt by all men. Because even if you only date women without children, eventually you will get one pregnant, out pops a baby, and all this stuff you are bitching about will happen… about the kid coming first and how busy the week becomes with PTA meetings or whatever. Only it will be your own kid, but if there are children in a house yes there are some demands to take care of them. duh.

    Listen. I am a middle aged lady. I don’t have small children but I have aging parents that need cared for. My mother is elderly and a little senile and needs a lot of care. She is a pain in the ***, but a responsibility I can’t just shirk. When I find a nice man I want to share my life with, my problems become his. His problems become mine. It doesn’t matter what stage in life you are in. If he has a mother with alzheimers or a sister with cancer that needs cared for, yes I’ll be the first one to volunteer to help HIM too. If it isn’t kids, it is other things. When we join lives we join joys and sorrows too. I think that’s what it is all about.

    You sound like a bitter man who has had some bad experiences. I had a little chuckle reading it. You will probably get a backlash of hurt feelings though because you really sound like you are bashing people.

  22. marvin Says:

    It’s the single moms who randomly have sex with any guys they don’t intend to live with, that enhances the gene pool with more trashy women, and guys who treat all women as trashy attention whores.

  23. Katla Says:

    If you have “yet to meet a single mom who was career driven, carefree, balanced, happy” it’s because we aren’t out in the dating pool. We are working, spending time with friends and family, and enjoying our children’s youth.

    Of course it’s harder than it’s portrayed in the media, everything is. Those of us who sacrifice time with our child for our careers are still portrayed in an ugly light. Balance is a struggle between needs, wants, and expectations of many, many different people, mother and child primarily, both in the present and for the long-term.

    Something always has to give, and in the case of the well-adjusted single mom, it’s relationships. If you are meeting single moms who prioritize a relationship over career and child, run fast in the other direction. In fact, ANYONE who needs to be in a relationship more than anything else in their life should be approached with caution; it is never a healthy thing.

    I’m sorry for your experiences and how bitter they seem to have made you, but you don’t affect me, my life, or my priorities. If anything, you affirm that the choices I’ve made to do the right thing for myself, my career and my child over becoming involved with a man again after my divorce is the right thing to do.

  24. Shirl Says:

    As a single mother of 3 boys….Now ages 20-15…I met my now husband 11 years ago. My children were not the product of a one night stand…but of a marriage to a FUCKED UP SO CALLED MAN…Who was looking for a free ride from ME. I owned my own business and still do to this day. I make more money then most men I have met and now that I have met the man I plan on spending the rest of my life with WE together have built a beautiful home…we go away every weekend, we take awesome family vacations and have a beautiful life AS A FAMILY. I met a man prior to my present husband who was a single father looking for someone to play MOMMY to his daughter…So why only bah single mothers ? Men are just as bad…again not all men just as well as not all women. You obviously just met a scum bag and maybe your no prize…So maybe you should look in your own back yard…Hell maybe your Dick is too small…maybe you think you make good money….Maybe your so fucking boring she just could bare to be with you anymore. Seriously you need to stop looking under rocks for women and maybe you’ll find a REAL WOMEN !

  25. jazzy Says:

    This is a huge overgeneralization. There are so many different kinds of single moms, from 18 year olds who dropped out of high school and went on welfare to 30 year old executives who hire their own personal nanny. You can’t possibly lump all single mothers together and say, all are a certain way.

    It seems to me you have dated a certain type of woman, and assumed all women are that way.

    Also spongers and moochers come in all sexes babe. What I see most of my friends dealing with is having male bums move in on them, to sit around in sweat pants and play video games and drink beer all day, while she does everything, pays for everything, and does all the chores. Ask him to do one thing and he has a fit. The problem a lot of single mothers have is they have a home, their own money, and are very established because they have to be. So most of them work, and have a place to live. Certain men that tend to live in their mama’s basement and want to be perpetual children, try to move in because it looks pretty comfy, and they don’t have to do anything at all to set up a household or do their part. In fact of ALL of my single mother friends, NONE of them took the kids and moved in with the man. The man ALWAYS moves in with HER, and basically mooches off her a great deal more than he’d admit. I am sorry but you seem like the type .

    If all you want from a woman is sex, and no strings or problems of sharing her problems burdens or responsibilities, maybe you should just hire hookers.

    If you want a woman who really holds her own and has her own act together, then work on yourself. You say nothing here about what you have to bring to the table.

    Eventually you will have to get used to single moms. As you age, finding a woman without a past marriage, kids, or something to deal with… will get harder and harder, unless when you are 50 you are still dating 20 year olds.

  26. claudia Says:

    As a 52 yr old single mom who raised her now 25 year old son alone. after I left his abusive father when he was 2: I never remarried, never wanted to This is such bitter nonsense..I thought I was bitter. Theres no EVIL PLAN…thats how some people are..men and women..there are givers and there are takers…which are you? I worked and did not receive child support of any kind, the ex was NOT involved in ANY way,I never had another child. I DID NOT introduce my son into any dating picture until I was sure it would “last”. I NEVER left my son alone with any man I wasn’t living with b/c I didn’t trust THEM. Many a pedophile target single moms to gain access to the children. ALL single moms should be hyper vigilant to that. There IS no BIG conspiracy…thats life pal. Once you grow up you see many shades of gray instead of the black and white world you live in now.

  27. Yan Says:

    You’re an idiot.

  28. Happy Mom Says:

    Wow. You really have some hang ups. I’m a single mom of the coolest little boy in the world. I’ve had the same job for 20 years, make a great living, keep a clean home, he does well in school & I pay all of the bills. No child support, ever…thanks to the non caring state of Florida.
    I’m tired & yes, a little stressed but let me see you do better. How about the flip side of dating or being in a relationship with a single mom and what losers are out there just looking for someone to mother them? Why don’t you tell men how strong we are & how some of us do it all and don’t expect someone else to take on the responsibility. That we don’t want to be your mother. We want to be your lover, your partner, your soulmate. And as for using our children to get a man, shame on you for mentioning it and shame on the women that do it. If you want me, dial direct, don’t try doing it through my child and I would Never use my son to get a man. What is the matter with you?

  29. Anonymous Says:

    I think you should change the title from “A guide to dating single moms” to “Reasons not to date single mothers”.

    This isn’t a guide, it is a pursuasive argument to buy into your opinion single mothers are not worth dating.

    A GUIDE would be written for men who WANT to date single mothers but want pointers on how to make it work. For instance, some guys want to ask a woman out with no notice at all, and they feel rejected when she says no. So it might help for clueless guys to know that a line like “would you like to go out for a drink after work today?” might be met with a “no” just because she was given less than 2 hours to get a sitter.

    Some guys might WANT to try to date a single mom. They might look for a guide to give pointers. There isn’t one single pointer in here to give advice on things that will make things work better or anything.

    This isn’t a guide, it’s a pursuasive essay on reasons why to not try at all. I know I am being pedantic, but you will make your point clearer if you focus it a little better and title it appropriately.

  30. ggjake Says:

    Thank you all for the overwhelming number of comments posted for this guide. I think single mothers should go for single fathers as they can relate each other better but a few say it isn’t so. Single people without kids including me more often have a hard time relating to single parents as children are supposed to be taken care of by both biological parents.

    There are unfair marriage and family laws in North America which causes the divorce rates to be sky high beyond 50% as sites like NoMarriage.com in my blogroll link box shows why not to get married. I wouldn’t take a gamble in marriage or having a family as I would have a better luck investing in the stock market instead. I might someday expat to family friendly countries if I want to get married and have children. For now and as long as I live in North America, I’ll just go my own way. Take care and live life the fullest.

  31. BooBoo Says:

    This is hilarious.

    You generalize ALL single mothers as money grabbing, man eating leeches and expect to be taken seriously?

    I’m a man and it insults MY intelligence!

    Shame on you!

  32. Flash Says:

    This is misogyny and nothing more.

    Now, I never liked the Brady Bunch show but, honestly, this article is ridiculous — a symptom, really, of general ignorance and of the burdens placed on women by the women’s movement.

    Do some moms act this way? Sure. I saw moms providing for their kids by linking up with my military friends and it happens in the civilian world, too, but there are too many women to take one part of society and then generalize. How do you like it when women generalize about us men? Right! We call them names like bitches and tell them they are wrong.

    Anyway, I’m glad to be a man in a man’s world.

  33. emma Says:

    What woman, who happened to be a single mom, rejected you? This sounds like the type of post made by a man who had his heart broken, and retaliates against ALL single moms because one broke his heart.

    Any woman, single mom or not, would do good not to date you at all. Because honestly you lack the capacity to think above the level of a heartbroken 14 year old.

    As a single mom, I can assure you, I am not looking for a replacement parent for my daughter, I’m not looking for a man to help me with expenses. I take care of my daughter well enough, and would NEVER want someone I’m dating to step in and “parent” MY child.

    As for forcing attachment, Ava doesn’t even meet the men I date unless we’ve been together for more than 6 months. And it’s done gradually. And yes, Ava comes before any man. Sorry, that’s the way it works.

    And as I said, I sure as hell don’t need a mans help paying for, and parenting my child. I make enough money to put her through private school, as well keep us more than comfortable. It comes with college education.

    And when I am dating, if it starts to get serious, I make no omissions of her fathers involvement. He goes to all her school functions, has her for weekends, takes her on vacation. And he has no problem with me dating. As long as the man I’m dating does not hurt Ava in any way he could care less.

  34. Wendyjogh Says:

    From Wendyjogh who commented this guide in Digg (I thank her for commenting and for everyone else, get yourself a Digg and rate in any Digg buttons at http://www.digg.com ):

    Sad, but very true. I’ve seen the very same thing happen to several of my male friends. My cousin, a single mother of two young children, lost her husband when he died young of a heart attack. Two years later she married a man, and they are now receiving marital counseling.

    Although she is independently wealthy (thanks to family money and her late husband’s life insurance and savings), she will not allow her new husband to discipline her children at all. Now that they are married, she will not take trips with him, independent of the children. Those are only two examples of the changes made since they married; compared to when they were dating; resulting in him feeling used, and not part of the family.

    Chances are they will divorce, and probably by next year. They no longer even sleep together. Single men really aught to think TEN times before getting involved with single mothers. If I were a man, I wouldn’t.

  35. simplylovely Says:

    From Yahoo Answers

    you’re an effin genius, why don’t these women stop being hypocrites and admit they want an instant father for their child and an instant extra bank account!

    My best friend is exactly like this- usually the men realize what she is really like and they just stop calling her. (they have some brains)

  36. Vincent Says:

    most single mom i know has no moral, they think it is just okay to deceive and cheat men as long as it is for their child. they can use anyone and think it’s morally correct and justified, with no ounce of shame, as long as it is for their child.

  37. Zenking Says:

    Hi! I am the original author of this article. GGJake, I have no problem with you reprinting it, but would you be kind enough to post my name on it mate? :) its ZenKing
    That would only be fair…

    Oh, and a few comments for all the kind posters. bashing me personally wont work. This is a guide that I have compiled from mine and many other mens experiences with single mothers. These are just some of the problems that many, many men have encountered. Again and again I hear men tell me the Guide is spot-on and all I seem to get from women is the old “you suck, I am not like that line”
    Which makes me think, this must be good as not one women, not one has been able to logically refute any of the statements I have researched…

  38. ggjake Says:

    I reposted this article because I had my share of problems with single mothers as Zenking described. Thanks for writing such a informative article. For me, I’ll avoid single mothers especially in Western English speaking countries. I wish you all well including single mothers as I’ll go my own way.

  39. Byrdeye Says:

    If you think about it, it’s single moms who look down on stable, working joes. Because these guys weren’t good enough to get knocked up by (like the unreliable bad boys were). But are only good enough to help raise those bastard kids for them.

    IOW, if they weren’t single with kids…there’s no way in hell they’d even be giving you a second look. But now that they are…they will…but only to exploit your hard-earned resources and compassion.

  40. acomdata Says:

    Wow. If you haven’t experienced this you need to take it to heart. I’ve been there, done that and this post is right on the money!!! Items 6, 7 9 and 12 define my previous marriage to a T.

    I’m happy, single and now have more money than I’ve seen in the last 16 years. Its nice not having someone throwing it out the window as fast as I can make it.

    Excellent post!

  41. Aimee Kimberling Says:

    Ok and what about the women who were good wives and good mothers.Whom brought in her share of the income if not the majority of it. Who also cooked, cleaned and made passionate love with thier husbands. Yet their husband of ten years decided he wanted to be 19 again and went and got him a 20 year old little slut…and tore the family apart. Now that same good women is now a single mom…that makes her an evil caniving, money hungry bitch like you described above? I am with the people that are anti marriage because I believe that you can NEVER truely know a person no matter how long its been…Why? Because society influences people and society is unpredictbale. You never know what your going to come across one day or who you might be introduced to that will have a serious good or bad influence over you or your spouse leading either of you to change your whole outlook or perspective on life. But to be anti-single mom when every womens circumstance is different
    is ignorant! You arent speaking out of knowledge or expereince for that matter….You are doing nothing but crying about a broken heart over a woman whom you met as a single mom and because she probably left you for a better man and took whom you considered to be your son, (though he wasnt) with her…you are sad, mad, and revengeful…Let me tell you something, I became a single mom when my son was just 2 years old. I came from a very conservative type background and no one on either side of my family had ever been divorced…The last thing I ever wanted was to be a single divorced mother…but I have my Masters degree, I make six figures a year, we have a house and a vacation home a boat and my sons college is already paid for (hes 11)…never will I marry again I doubt seriously but if I do..it damn sure wont be for money, for a man to take care of me or to fill any void that my son lacks because his dad is a looser…Trust me if I do fall in love again it wont be me that is the lucky one..it will be the man whom becomes lucky to of met me and my son!!

  42. Curiepoint Says:

    Mothers in general think that motherhood is a panacea for any and all behavior. So long as they can imagine that what they do is “in the best interests of her kids” she will always cower behind her being a mother using it as a shield for any and all callousness and stupidity that enters her mind.

    Motherhood is not a free pass for anything. It excuses nothing, and it certainly is not whatever an individual wants it to be at any given moment and in any given circumstance.

    No reasonable man refuses her right to think of her kids first. Come to think of it, fathers do much the same, despite the popular attitude that fathers are irrelevant. But no reasonable man with standards wants to chew his way through a mountain of BS in the name of motherhood either.

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